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Groh: Hagans could not have played quarterback
Sophomore was injured, practiced just 45 minutes during week
By John Galinsky  / Daily Progress staff writer
September 8, 2003
 

Why, with freshman Anthony Martinez struggling, didn't the Virginia coaches give sophomore Marques Hagans a shot at playing quarterback?

That was the question thrown around by many Cavalier fans during and after Saturday's 31-7 loss at South Carolina. There was no clear explanation immediately afterward, but UVa coach Al Groh revealed the reason Sunday: Hagans was hurt.

"For all the armchair geniuses who think they know exactly what we should do," Groh said, "the fact is Marques wasn't able to practice last week. So the question of whether he could play [quarterback] in the game was a moot point."

Without describing the injury, Groh said Hagans was able to practice for about 45 minutes all week, not nearly enough time to get ready to play quarterback against the Gamecocks.

Hagans, last year's backup quarterback, did play in the game. But he lined up at receiver, the position he has played since spring practice. He caught two passes for five yards and returned three punts for 21 yards.

Groh, who generally does not discuss injuries, did not mention last week that Hagans was hurt. He implied several times that the Cavaliers were putting together a "Marques-specific" package of plays, probably to make South Carolina's defense waste time preparing to face two quarterbacks with contrasting styles.

In retrospect, it was unfortunate for No. 15 Virginia (1-1) that the threat of using Hagans behind center was just a bluff.

Martinez, a classic dropback passer, had a difficult debut as a starter. He threw for just 54 yards, completing 10 of 20 passes with two interceptions. His longest completion went for 12 yards, and the back-breaking play for the Cavaliers came when Martinez and Alvin Pearman botched an exchange late in the third quarter. South Carolina recovered the fumble at the UVa 11 and scored two plays later to take a 17-7 lead.

Still, Groh did not pin the defeat on Martinez. After watching film of the game Sunday, he reiterated what he said the day before, that there was plenty of blame to go around.

"I didn't think anyone played well at any position on the offensive side," Groh said.

The defense, he said, "played pretty decently" except for several key breakdowns. On a 99-yard touchdown pass from Dondrial Pinkins to Troy Williamson in the second quarter, Groh said the Cavaliers were in a three-deep zone that was played "about as poorly as it could be played" by cornerback Jamaine Winborne and safeties Willie Davis and Jermaine Hardy.

Groh also was irritated by South Carolina's 80-yard touchdown drive that put the game out of reach in the fourth quarter. The Gamecocks dominated the line of scrimmage, getting all of their yards on 12 running plays.

Before that, the Cavaliers had played the home team evenly for the most part, with the exception of the 99-yard pass and the Martinez-Pearman fumble.

"It really got away on two plays," Groh said. "I thought we could orchestrate a plan to play and win a close game, and with 18 minutes left in the game it was real close. In a lot of respects, we were playing to what we thought, in this particular circumstance, would give us the best chance to win."

Virginia's coaches used a conservative gameplan in an effort to compensate for Martinez's inexperience. The results were dreadful: 170 total yards and seven first downs, UVa's worst offensive output in more than a decade.

Martinez threw wide to Marquis Weeks on his first pass and never got into a rhythm. Still, with senior Matt Schaub recovering from a separated shouder, he is expected to start this week at Western Michigan (1-1), and Groh said he will not judge Martinez harshly on how he performs as a freshman.

"I think you have to look at the big picture," Groh said. "In terms of what the player can become and what it takes to get there, it keeps things in a more realistic perspective."

Of course, the same question will arise this week. Assuming Hagans is healthy enough to practice, will he get a look at quarterback?

"We're certainly going to give that strong consideration, yes," Groh said.

 

 

 

VIRGINIA NOTES
Schaub's injury head-scratching

By DOUG DOUGHTY
THE ROANOKE TIMES

   CHARLOTTESVILLE - The one thing that Virginia football coach Al Groh can say definitively about his quarterback situation is that Matt Schaub won't play Saturday at Western Michigan.

    "Understand that Matt has not yet scratched the top of his head," Groh said Monday at his weekly news conference. "So, we can put the Matt Schaub talk to rest for a while."

    Schaub, the 2002 ACC Player of the Year, suffered a separated right shoulder Aug.30 against Duke and was unavailable Saturday in a 31-7 UVa loss at South Carolina.

    "When he can scratch the top of his head, we'll announce that as progress," Groh said.

    No more than 15 minutes later, Schaub was seen pulling a T-shirt over his head and seemed surprised by suggestions that he couldn't perform the easier task of scratching his head.

    Then, he was informed of Groh's comment.

    "Oh, I see," Schaub said. "Well, I can't scratch my head then."

    Announced or otherwise, Schaub is making progress but he gave no indication that a return to action is imminent.

    "If it were up to me, I'd start practice today," Schaub said, "but I'm not trying to overdo things and jeopardize anything further down the road."

    It seems as if Schaub is pointing for a Sept.27 home game against Wake Forest. The Cavaliers have an open date Sept.20.

    "That's [the open date] the first thing I thought about after I went down," Schaub said.

    HAGANS UPDATE: Marques Hagans, slated for increased practice time at quarterback this week behind Anthony Martinez, was moved to wide receiver in the spring and has concentrated on pass routes and punt returns ever since.

    "I don't even know when the last time was that I threw a pass; it was probably in the bowl game," said Hagans, who actually lined up at running back and took a pitch from Matt Schaub before turning and floating a touchdown pass to Wali Lundy in the Continental Tire Bowl.

    Hagans said he is over the nagging injuries that limited his practice time last week and made the move back to quarterback inadvisable in Groh's eyes.

    "I'm anxious to see what I can get done back out there," said Hagans as he dressed for practice. "I've been playing football all my life. It's not like I'm going from football to basketball."

    Hagans declined to answer questions at South Carolina and said he did not answer his phone Saturday or Sunday. Even Monday, he was unclear as to what he was allowed to say about injuries.

    "The coaches know what they're doing," he said. "We've got a good group of coaches."

    SCOUTING REPORT: After passing for a career-high 333 yards in the Broncos' first game, a 26-21 loss at Michigan State, Western Michigan senior Chad Munson set school records Saturday when he passed for 450 yards and six touchdowns in a 56-24 triumph over William and Mary.

    Munson, who leads Division I-A in passing yardage, played at two California junior colleges and didn't become a full-time starter for Western Michigan until the sixth game of the 2002 season. The Broncos also boast a Playboy All-American in senior defensive end Jason Babin, who registered 26 tackles for loss last season, including 15 sacks.

    ODDS 'N' ENDS: Western Michigan head coach Gary Darnell was the associate head coach and defensive coordinator for Groh's last season at Wake Forest in 1986. Groh and Darnell previously worked on Bill Dooley 's staff at North Carolina. ... Junior safety Jermaine Hardy from William Fleming had a career-high 11 tackles against South Carolina and has a team-high 20 tackles after two games. ... Groh was pessimistic over the availability of UVa's other starting safety, Willie Davis, who injured his shoulder on a late-game collision. ... UVa officials said 3,000 tickets remain for the Wake Forest game.

 

 

 

Schaub recalls first start
No date set yet for his return
BY JEFF WHITE
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER Sep 09, 2003

CHARLOTTESVILLE - For University of Virginia quarterback Matt Schaub, deją vu kicked in Saturday at South Carolina's Williams-Brice Stadium.

In his first college start, against Wisconsin in the 2001 opener, Schaub suffered through a miserable outing. Then a redshirt sophomore, he completed only 3 of 10 passes - for a mere 24 yards - and threw two interceptions before being replaced by Bryson Spinner in a 26-17 loss to the Badgers.

Anthony Martinez's first college start came Saturday, and the redshirt freshman from Montpelier didn't fare much better. With the injured Schaub watching from the sideline, Martinez completed 10 of 20 passes for 54 yards and was intercepted twice in a 31-7 loss to the Gamecocks.

"Seeing Anthony out there, I can definitely see myself back against Wisconsin a couple years ago," Schaub said yesterday at the McCue Center. "Once you get enough experience, it's like night and day in what you can see and what you can expect out on the field and how you can react to those things faster than you could previously."

Schaub, last season's ACC player of the year, separated his throwing shoulder in the first quarter of Virginia's Aug. 30 opener against Duke. His rehab is going well, but the fifth-year senior won't play Saturday at Western Michigan, U.Va. coach Al Groh said yesterday.

"I understand that Matt has not yet scratched the top of his head," Groh told reporters. That was news to Schaub a half hour later in the locker room.

"Who said I can't?" he asked a group of reporters. Apprised of his coach's statement, Schaub smiled and said, "I guess I can't, then."

All joking aside, Schaub said he's "feeling better day to day . . . I'm trying not to overdo it. I don't want to jeopardize anything further down the road.

"If it were up to me, I'd want to start practicing again today. But I've got to do what's best for the team, and what's best is that I get healthy and get 100 percent, however long that takes."

After meeting WMU this weekend, the Cavaliers won't play again until Sept. 27, when Wake Forest visits Scott Stadium. If Schaub were to return against Wake, he would have missed only two games. The timing of U.Va.'s first open date - Sept. 20 - couldn't be better for Schaub.

"That's the first thing I thought of," he said.
 

 

 

U.VA. NOTES
Sep 09, 2003

MAN ON THE MOVE: If Marques Hagans can practice at full speed, he'll work some at quarterback this week, Virginia coach Al Groh said yesterday.

"I'm anxious to see what I can do back out there," Hagans said yesterday.

After backing up ACC player of the year Matt Schaub at quarterback in 2002, Hagans moved to wideout during the winter. Groh didn't want one of the team's most dynamic players wasting away on the bench during Schaub's senior season.


But Schaub hasn't played since separating his shoulder in the Aug. 30 opener, and his backup, redshirt freshman Anthony Martinez, struggled Saturday in U.Va.'s 31-7 loss at South Carolina. Hagans played wideout and returned punts against the Gamecocks, but because he'd barely practiced last week, due to an injury, Groh didn't use him at QB.

Hagans declined to identify his injury but said he's "feeling a lot better." The sophomore from Hampton also said the prospect of an emergency position change didn't scare him. Virginia (1-1) plays at Western Michigan (1-1) on Saturday.

"I've been playing football all my life," Hagans said. "It's not like I'm going from football to basketball."

Hagans replaced Schaub in the 2002 opener against Colorado State and completed 10 of 13 passes for 120 yards. A week later, however, Hagans started at Florida State and connected on only 1 of 7 passes - for 4 yards - before giving way to Schaub.

With Schaub out, U.Va. fans are clamoring for Hagans to play quarterback again. That may happen, but Groh cautioned against unrealistic expectations.

"I'm very confident that if we play Marques there that he'll play well for us," Groh said, "but remember . . . that as dynamic as he was in the first game, in his only start he was equally ineffective. Now, I don't say that as a negative about him. He just faced the same circumstances in a similar surrounding that Martinez faced the other day."

NO WD-40?: Sophomore safety Willie Davis' left arm was still in a sling yesterday, and he probably won't play against Western Michigan. Jay Dorsey, who lost his job to Davis last month, is expected to start alongside fellow junior Jermaine Hardy at safety. Backing them up will be true freshman Robbie Catterton and redshirt freshman Lance Evans.

Davis, who wears jersey No. 40, was injured Saturday in a violent fourth-quarter collision with a Gamecock. ESPN's "SportsCenter" singled out their clash as one of the weekend's more memorable plays.

"Then he made it twice," Groh said.

Indeed, Davis' missed tackle on USC wideout Troy Williamson's 99-yard touchdown reception was a SportsCenter fixture, too.

ON THE RISE: Fontel Mines, a true freshman from Hermitage High, has moved ahead of redshirt freshman Ronald Morton at wide receiver. Mines has yet to play this season but made the trip to USC, and Morton did not.

Groh said he didn't plan to play Mines against the Gamecocks, "but he's moving closer into that circumstance. I think that he's going to have to make the same acceleration that some of those kids made last year."

U.Va. played 14 true freshmen in 2002. Three have played this season: Catterton, offensive guard Ian-Yates Cunningham and inside linebacker Ahmad Brooks. Like Mines, 6-6, 260-pound outside linebacker Vince Redd was in uniform Saturday. Barring injuries, though, Redd will probably redshirt, Groh said. - Jeff White
 

 

 

Schaub doesn't 'want to overdo it'
By Dave Johnson
Daily Press
Published September 9, 2003

CHARLOTTESVILLE -- Virginia quarterback Matt Schaub said his separated right (throwing) shoulder is improving. Other than that, don't count on many specifics.

"I'm getting better day-to-day, and that's all I can hope for and ask for," said Schaub, sitting at his locker in a T-shirt and shorts. "I don't want to overdo it. I don't want to jeopardize my situation down the road. If it were up to me, I'd practice today. But it's best for the team that I don't get out there until I'm 100 percent."

U.Va. coach Al Groh has ruled out Schaub for Saturday's 2 p.m. game at Western Michigan, meaning freshman Anthony Martinez will start for the second straight week.

"I understand that Matt has not yet scratched the top of his head," Groh said. "When he does scratch the top of his head, we'll announce that as progress."

Groh said Marques Hagans will take some snaps this week in practice. Hagans was Schaub's backup last season before being moved to wide receiver.

"I'm anxious to see what I can do back out there," said Hagans, who has worked at quarterback since last December.

A MESSAGE? The Cavaliers don't normally practice in full pads on Monday. Then again, they don't normally stink up the field as they did Saturday at South Carolina.

"It's something new," outside linebacker Darryl Blackstock said. "Coach Groh, he's not going to take no for an answer this week."

The Cavs need the work. After rising to 15th in the national polls, Virginia (1-1) fell to among the "others receiving votes" after last week's 31-7 loss to the Gamecocks. The defense was awful, giving up 423 yards to a team that barely moved the ball on Louisiana-Lafayette a week earlier. The offense was worse, picking up seven first downs and 170 yards.

Sunday was an off day for the team, and the players say they needed it.

"It was good to have a day just to not be mad about it," tailback Wali Lundy said. "Just to get it out of your system."

FRIENDLY COMPETITON. Groh describes Western Michigan coach Gary Darnell, whom he has known for more than a quarter of a century, as "a close friend." But he doesn't expect that to make coaching Saturday's game in Kalamazoo any tougher.

"If he wins, he's going to feel good no matter who he plays," Groh said. "If he loses, he's going to feel bad no matter who he plays. And I feel the same way."

Groh and Darnell were on Bill Dooley's staff at North Carolina in the 1976 and '77 seasons. Groh coached the outside linebackers, Darnell inside linebackers. They hooked up again nine years later when Groh, in his final year as Wake Forest's coach, hired Darnell as defensive coordinator.

SHORTS. Safety Willie Davis, who left last week's game after a violent collision with a South Carolina running back and was seen afterward with his left arm in a sling, was not able to practice Monday and appears questionable for the game. ...

Though Blackstock has 15 tackles in two games, he has no sacks after finishing with 10 last year. ...

Western Michigan quarterback Chad Munson leads the nation with 783 passing yards in two games. He threw for 450 in last week's victory over William and Mary. ... Virginia said 3,000 tickets remain for the home game against Wake Forest on Sept. 27.
 

 

 

Virginia's Schaub to Sit
Cavs Strapped With Quarterback Injuries
Tuesday, September 9, 2003; Page D06

Sophomore Marques Hagans was not available to play quarterback for Virginia in Saturday's 31-7 loss at South Carolina, Cavaliers Coach Al Groh said, because an undisclosed, minor injury limited him to 45 minutes of practice last week. The now-unranked Cavaliers judged that was not sufficient time for Hagans, a former quarterback playing wide receiver this season.

Hagans likely will take some snaps in preparation for this weekend's game at Western Michigan, but at South Carolina he played only receiver and punt returner. Redshirt freshman Anthony Martinez was the quarterback, throwing for just 54 yards with two interceptions in his second game since senior starter Matt Schaub separated his throwing shoulder. Schaub has been ruled out of Saturday's game against the Broncos. . . .

Starting tailback Wali Lundy remains less than fully healthy after straining his right hamstring in the preseason. The injury did not affect him in the season opener, when he rushed 21 times for 88 yards, but in Saturday's loss to the Gamecocks he managed only nine carries for 35 yards. Alvin Pearman led the Cavaliers with 91 rushing yards, his second-highest total in 23 career games.

"He just didn't seem to have very much juice," Groh said of Lundy. "He got out on the edge a couple times, and he was trying, but he just couldn't do. . . .

Safety Willie Davis is expected to miss this weekend's game after a collision Saturday left him cradling his left arm in a sling after the game. . . . Offensive lineman Kevin Bailey might play for the first time since injuring his knee a year ago.